The DIC lost episodes

Demha88 · 11/11/14, 11:44 AM

do know this is a topic that's been constantly in debate and many fans came up with several possible theories which many of them may be or not be true ( and is nothing new I know ) , but here is one I thought of sharing with my fellow moonies ( in case it hasn't been shared before) ^_^

DIC was spending (or wasting depending on your view) so much money on the production and adaption ( not just translating ) of the show . This consists of importing the show, edits, new music , computer effects , the voice actors, and other financial requirements. they simply had to cut costs in order to compromise with other expenses. How ?

By dropping episodes they felt that did not add to the plot or even having merged two into one. I'm not saying this is the only reason. It could be part of the reason why they did what they did. I'm not an expert on how the business works or anything but again, just my thoughts. :smug:

What do you guys think?

1dbad · 11/11/14, 11:45 AM

Believe it or not, a lot of what they did (dubbing via rythmo band, rescoring the show's music, ect.) made the dub cheaper to produce, rather than more expensive. So I don't think they did it because they were running out of budget or anything.

The most likely reason some episodes were skipped actually seems to be for syndication purposes, since you only need 65 episodes of a show to get that. Had they dubbed the episodes in order the show wouldn't have had a good stopping place, but by cutting episodes here and there they were able to get a much better one. Now rather than ending on a filler like the Jupiter/Venus fighting episode (which they would've had they gone in order), they ended with a more important resolution episode -- the last two Black Moon Sisters being healed.

Another reason they probably skipped episodes was due to some having stuff they thought would be too hard to edit, and/or them thinking certain episodes didn't fit in with the storyline they were making for the show.

MattEmily · 11/11/14, 01:24 PM

I agree with 1dbad that DiC only skipped episodes due to syndication purposes. I don't believe they skipped them for expense reasons.

PRangerX · 11/12/14, 12:15 AM

There were also some episodes that had content that wouldnt get past standards and practices. The first skipped episode featured an enchanted Umino lifting Miss Huruna's skirt. There was one that hand Usagi's brother striking Luna while under a spell. Another one here Usagi disguises herself as a adult and goes undercover at a bar. The finalie if season 1 was heavily edited to eliminated a lot of the excessive violence. But there are a few episodes skipped for purely budget reasons.

MattEmily · 12/15/14, 05:31 PM

That's very true as well in the case of censorship excuses but in the case of Sammy striking Luna that could have just been edited out since that was done a lot to either Luna or Artemis in the original version especially in later seasons that were dubbed by Cloverway and there were no issues with removing it.

The bar one was definitely a huge issue however since Serena would have been setting a bad example for the young children that watched the show since she would have been seen as a minor in the U.S. version of the show even though the show was set in Japan and therefore they would have followed Japanese laws in the actual show itself.

No doubt about the finale having a lot of excessive violence especially with the deaths of Amy, Mina, Raye and Lita as well as Beryl stabbing Tuxedo Mask into his own death.

The thing that I don't quite get is why the one Mina episode was skipped.

PRangerX · 12/15/14, 09:11 PM

Yeah that seems like a budget reason. Made so sense to skip that one. Guess they just wanted 65 episodes.

The Cloverway dub was years later and aired on Cable... So they may have been able to get away with a bit more.

I believe there was a few instances of violence in that episode. But maybe they needed to cut an episode and that was just the straw that broke the camels back.

I don't believe Usagi was supposed to be in the bar even in Japan. She had to disguise herself as an adult. And really didn't seem to know what to do. Since she tried ordering a juice at a bar.

MattEmily · 12/15/14, 09:14 PM

In some places the syndication dub actually aired on Cartoon Network but maybe it was just a case of DiC just trying to be careful since they didn't know who would pick it up.

PRangerX · 12/15/14, 09:16 PM

Really? I remember the original dub airing in repeats on USA Network after it got cancelled. Then it moved to Cartoon Network in reruns until the final episodes of R were done and the movies. Then of course S and SuperS. Which was funny since they lost the rights to the Dic dub afterawhile and could only show the Cloverway.

The Final episodes of R also got a run in Syndication in some markets for awhile.

MattEmily · 12/15/14, 09:33 PM

I always saw it on Cartoon Network or Fox Kids if I recall correctly.
I don't recall ever seeing it on the USA Network.

PRangerX · 12/18/14, 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by MattEmily

I always saw it on Cartoon Network or Fox Kids if I recall correctly.
I don't recall ever seeing it on the USA Network.

It was on USA for a short time. This was after the original dub was canceled and before they ended up on Toonami. They werent' on for very long. It was never on Fox Kids. But I think there was some free preview. It was.strangely, the first episode of R had a one time airing on my fod sturdy block. But it was never aired again. The show could have been syndicated on Fox affilates

11/11/14, 11:44 AM	#1
Demha88 Putty Patroller Join Date: 12/10/13 Posts: 1	The DIC lost episodes do know this is a topic that's been constantly in debate and many fans came up with several possible theories which many of them may be or not be true ( and is nothing new I know ) , but here is one I thought of sharing with my fellow moonies ( in case it hasn't been shared before) ^_^ DIC was spending (or wasting depending on your view) so much money on the production and adaption ( not just translating ) of the show . This consists of importing the show, edits, new music , computer effects , the voice actors, and other financial requirements. they simply had to cut costs in order to compromise with other expenses. How ? By dropping episodes they felt that did not add to the plot or even having merged two into one. I'm not saying this is the only reason. It could be part of the reason why they did what they did. I'm not an expert on how the business works or anything but again, just my thoughts. :smug: What do you guys think?

11/11/14, 11:45 AM	#2
1dbad Putty Patroller Join Date: 02/17/14 Posts: 2	Re: The DIC lost episodes Believe it or not, a lot of what they did (dubbing via rythmo band, rescoring the show's music, ect.) made the dub cheaper to produce, rather than more expensive. So I don't think they did it because they were running out of budget or anything. The most likely reason some episodes were skipped actually seems to be for syndication purposes, since you only need 65 episodes of a show to get that. Had they dubbed the episodes in order the show wouldn't have had a good stopping place, but by cutting episodes here and there they were able to get a much better one. Now rather than ending on a filler like the Jupiter/Venus fighting episode (which they would've had they gone in order), they ended with a more important resolution episode -- the last two Black Moon Sisters being healed. Another reason they probably skipped episodes was due to some having stuff they thought would be too hard to edit, and/or them thinking certain episodes didn't fit in with the storyline they were making for the show.

11/11/14, 01:24 PM	#3
MattEmily Administrator Join Date: 01/12/11 Posts: 5,877	Re: The DIC lost episodes I agree with 1dbad that DiC only skipped episodes due to syndication purposes. I don't believe they skipped them for expense reasons.

11/12/14, 12:15 AM	#4
PRangerX Administrator Join Date: 12/04/00 Posts: 4,004	Re: The DIC lost episodes There were also some episodes that had content that wouldnt get past standards and practices. The first skipped episode featured an enchanted Umino lifting Miss Huruna's skirt. There was one that hand Usagi's brother striking Luna while under a spell. Another one here Usagi disguises herself as a adult and goes undercover at a bar. The finalie if season 1 was heavily edited to eliminated a lot of the excessive violence. But there are a few episodes skipped for purely budget reasons.

12/15/14, 05:31 PM	#5
MattEmily Administrator Join Date: 01/12/11 Posts: 5,877	Re: The DIC lost episodes That's very true as well in the case of censorship excuses but in the case of Sammy striking Luna that could have just been edited out since that was done a lot to either Luna or Artemis in the original version especially in later seasons that were dubbed by Cloverway and there were no issues with removing it. The bar one was definitely a huge issue however since Serena would have been setting a bad example for the young children that watched the show since she would have been seen as a minor in the U.S. version of the show even though the show was set in Japan and therefore they would have followed Japanese laws in the actual show itself. No doubt about the finale having a lot of excessive violence especially with the deaths of Amy, Mina, Raye and Lita as well as Beryl stabbing Tuxedo Mask into his own death. The thing that I don't quite get is why the one Mina episode was skipped.

12/15/14, 09:11 PM	#6
PRangerX Administrator Join Date: 12/04/00 Posts: 4,004	Re: The DIC lost episodes Yeah that seems like a budget reason. Made so sense to skip that one. Guess they just wanted 65 episodes. The Cloverway dub was years later and aired on Cable... So they may have been able to get away with a bit more. I believe there was a few instances of violence in that episode. But maybe they needed to cut an episode and that was just the straw that broke the camels back. I don't believe Usagi was supposed to be in the bar even in Japan. She had to disguise herself as an adult. And really didn't seem to know what to do. Since she tried ordering a juice at a bar.

12/15/14, 09:14 PM	#7
MattEmily Administrator Join Date: 01/12/11 Posts: 5,877	Re: The DIC lost episodes In some places the syndication dub actually aired on Cartoon Network but maybe it was just a case of DiC just trying to be careful since they didn't know who would pick it up.

12/15/14, 09:16 PM	#8
PRangerX Administrator Join Date: 12/04/00 Posts: 4,004	Re: The DIC lost episodes Really? I remember the original dub airing in repeats on USA Network after it got cancelled. Then it moved to Cartoon Network in reruns until the final episodes of R were done and the movies. Then of course S and SuperS. Which was funny since they lost the rights to the Dic dub afterawhile and could only show the Cloverway. The Final episodes of R also got a run in Syndication in some markets for awhile.

12/15/14, 09:33 PM	#9
MattEmily Administrator Join Date: 01/12/11 Posts: 5,877	Re: The DIC lost episodes I always saw it on Cartoon Network or Fox Kids if I recall correctly. I don't recall ever seeing it on the USA Network.