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KimandTommy 11/10/17 07:08 PM

Re: Did Diabolico really turn good?
 
Diabollico was evil to the core! Just like Ryan. I don't know why so many fans justify the actions of so many evil villains. It's even more baffling how the writers do it as well. It's pretty clear Kat, Karone, Ryan, Trent, and Tyzonn are all evil!

Edit: Leanbow is evil too.

MattEmily 11/10/17 07:30 PM

Re: Did Diabolico really turn good?
 
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Originally Posted by KimandTommy (Post 68740)
Diabollico was evil to the core! Just like Ryan. I don't know why so many fans justify the actions of so many evil villains. It's even more baffling how the writers do it as well. It's pretty clear Kat, Karone, Ryan, Trent, and Tyzonn are all evil!

Edit: Leanbow is evil too.

I don't know if Diabolico was evil to the core yes it's true he was a villain but whether he would still fight the Rangers we can't say for certain there are others who we can say were evil like Ecliptor even though he did show loyalty to Astronema and while Villamax himself was evil he wasn't evil to the core ones that were evil to the core would include villains such as Darkonda, Deviot, Mutiny, Bansheera, the Org Generals, the original Master Org and the Underworld Master.

However the rest of who you state they are not evil they were evil but they are no longer evil and us justifying it is as plain as day to anyone who clearly watches the episodes you can't just pick and choose who you believe is evil just because you hate them that much otherwise I could say that Tommy is evil or that Kimberly is evil or Billy or Jason since all of them were under evil spells that made them evil or something happened that forced them to be evil so if you want to say those people are evil then so is Tommy, Kimberly, Billy and every other Ranger who have been placed under spells.

The writers know who is evil and who isn't they're the ones who write the episodes the fact you can't comprehend that is just as baffling as those Saban-obsessed users who can't comprehend that Haim had nothing to do with the show

Bandora's Ghost 11/10/17 09:20 PM

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The only ones that were actually on the side of evil of their own free will were Astronema and Ryan. And they both switched to being good. Diabolico was on his own side in the end.

MattEmily 11/10/17 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Bandora's Ghost (Post 68744)
The only ones that were actually on the side of evil of their own free will were Astronema and Ryan. And they both switched to being good. Dobolico was on his own side in the end.

technically so was Tyzonn but it was just part of an agreement that he made with Moltor under the assumption that Moltor would hold up his end of the bargain but yes you're right about Astronema and Ryan and in both of their cases it's similar since Ecliptor raised Karone like his own daughter so all she learned growing up was from him who was built to be evil and in the case of Ryan he was raised by the demons so in a lot of ways he could be classified as being dead since he was raised by them and because of which he didn't know any better not only that but he was lied to due to Diabolico lying that William Mitchell didn't care about him and that he had allowed him to fall.

KimandTommy 11/11/17 08:06 AM

Re: Did Diabolico really turn good?
 
Thats why Tyzonn was evil. He joined Moltor just so he could look Mercurian again. Which makes him selfish and evil. he only joined the Rangers when he got his original form back.

Leanbow was evil because he helped the Master. And only "turned good" because he loved Udonna and Nick.


Trent was evil because the dark power of his gem brought out his true personality. He also chose to help his evil father by keeping his secret identity from the others.

Ryan was evil because he helped the demons attack innocent civilians just because he thought his dad didn't hug him enough. And then he only jpined Lightspeed so he wouldn't be arrested

Karone was evil because she was Astronema under her own free will. And only jelped the Rangers to save her own hyde. Once the UAE was defeated it was in her best interest to repent. She secretly liked being Cyber Astronema, since it gave her an excuse to be evil and an out if her side lost.

Kat was definitely evil. Her nice girl act was always just that, an act. Rita 's spell just gave her an excuse to be as nasty as she wanted. Rita didn't care if Tommy chose Kat. THe unworthy future Pink Ranger went after Tommy on her own. And was willing to take Kimberly out in the process. Once she fell out of favor with Rita it was in her best interest to join the Rangers.So she convinced Kim to go back to gymnastics. She knew she would leave her to be the new Pink. And Tommy would be hers to manipulated. Just like how she sent him the fake Dear John Letter. She also sabotaged his last date with Heather. Knowing she would never want to see Tommy again if he got called away to fight the Machines. Which was bound to happen.

MMPR Forever 11/11/17 08:22 AM

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I agree whole heartily with Kat and Karone. I do think the others were good. They just werent well written characters like the MMPR Rangers who weren't Kat.

Evil Kim 11/11/17 08:28 AM

Re: Did Diabolico really turn good?
 
Actually, I think Kim and Jason both became evil after "Forever Red". They helped to form the new UAE. Any appearances by MMPR Pink or Red in Super Megaforce were not them.

MattEmily 11/11/17 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by KimandTommy (Post 68746)
Thats why Tyzonn was evil. He joined Moltor just so he could look Mercurian again. Which makes him selfish and evil. he only joined the Rangers when he got his original form back.

Leanbow was evil because he helped the Master. And only "turned good" because he loved Udonna and Nick. Trent was evil because the dark power of his gem brought out his true personality. He also chose to help his evil father by keeping his secret identity from the others.

Don't be ridiculous yes Tyzonn's reasons for joining Moltor was selfish but to be fair no one would want to look like a monster for the rest of our lives I certainly wouldn't. He would've joined the Rangers either way it had nothing to do with them restoring him to human form.

Leanbow was evil due to the Master's spell and the spells broke because of Udonna and Nick.
Trent was NOT evil the Dino Gem he had was a corrupted gem even Elsa herself had stated that the Gem itself IS EVIL.

Yes he chose to keep Mercer's Mesogog secret but that's because he felt he could figure out how to handle it himself I mean what could the others really do without hurting Mercer in the process? plus it's called a SECRET for a reason you don't blab it to other people no matter how much you trust them.

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Originally Posted by KimandTommy (Post 68746)
Ryan was evil because he helped the demons attack innocent civilians just because he thought his dad didn't hug him enough. And then he only jpined Lightspeed so he wouldn't be arrested

Karone was evil because she was Astronema under her own free will. And only jelped the Rangers to save her own hyde. Once the UAE was defeated it was in her best interest to repent. She secretly liked being Cyber Astronema, since it gave her an excuse to be evil and an out if her side lost.

I'll give you Ryan's reasons for being evil was being stupid but to be fair if he felt no one loved him then it'd be understandable still that doesn't mean he's still evil and don't forget that he grew up with the demons so the more you hear something on a daily basis the more you're going to believe it also don't forget he was taken when he was just a young kid like maybe 4 or 5. 4 or 5 year olds don't really have a concept of right or young on top of that they have to learn what's right and what's wrong from their Parents and because Diabolico was the one that was raising him he's going to be teaching him bad things. He joined the Rangers because he finally remembered the truth.

Yes Karone was evil under her own free will but again she was kidnapped when she was young and therefore had no concept of good or evil all she knew is what Ecliptor would've been teaching her which would've been evil. That doesn't mean she's truly deep down evil.

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Originally Posted by KimandTommy (Post 68746)
Kat was definitely evil. Her nice girl act was always just that, an act. Rita 's spell just gave her an excuse to be as nasty as she wanted. Rita didn't care if Tommy chose Kat. THe unworthy future Pink Ranger went after Tommy on her own. And was willing to take Kimberly out in the process. Once she fell out of favor with Rita it was in her best interest to join the Rangers.So she convinced Kim to go back to gymnastics. She knew she would leave her to be the new Pink. And Tommy would be hers to manipulated. Just like how she sent him the fake Dear John Letter. She also sabotaged his last date with Heather. Knowing she would never want to see Tommy again if he got called away to fight the Machines. Which was bound to happen.

Not that ridiculous excuse again. She WAS evil but she's not evil anymore yes her nice girl WAS an act but it wasn't ALWAYS an act she truly broke the spell on her now whether you choose to believe that or not is your own problem. Also don't be ridiculous that she forged the Dear John letter your posts are getting even more ridiculous.

Where are your posts about Tommy being truly evil? Simple you like him so you can't say it but you hate the others so you have no issues with attacking them.

No Green Spandex 11/11/17 11:43 AM

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She seems to love Tommy and think he was a hero. Yet he was under an evil spell like most of the Rangers she listed.

White Spandex Rules 11/11/17 11:45 AM

Re: Did Diabolico really turn good?
 
To be fair its hard to say Tommy was evil compared to the others. Granted I don't agree about the othes being evil after they were redeemed or healed.


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